Comments on The Burd Report: Rob Ford vs. Immigration Facts

is this discussion about immigrants or about refug...

2010-08-31T11:38:26.601-04:00

is this discussion about immigrants or about refugees, or both. Immigrants come here on a different premise and have followed the required procedures, not so the refugees. Maybe that's a part of the problem being discussed.

Trying2makesense keyed, ”why do we import peopl...

2010-08-31T10:21:48.372-04:00
Trying2makesense keyed, ”why do we import people while we ignore some of the ones we already have, and have had, for most of those 143 years? Where is the creativity in that?”

From Wikipedia: “Immigrants on average contribute more to government revenues than the Canadian average. A 1990 study found that an average immigrant household paid $22,528 in all forms of taxes and on average each household directly consumed $10,558 in government services. By contrast an average native Canadian household paid $20,259 in tax and consumed $10,102 dollars in services. Across the country this means that immigrant households contributed $2.6 billion more than their share to the public purse.[60] A 1996 study found that over a lifetime a typical immigrant family will pay some forty thousand dollars more to the treasury than they will consume in services.[61] Explanations for this include that immigrant households tend to be larger, and have more wage earners, increasing taxes. Newcomers are also less likely to make use of many social services. Immigrants are less likely than native Canadians to receive employment insurance, social assistance, and subsidized housing.[62] Immigrants are also much less likely to become homeless or suffer from mental illness.[63] Recent immigrants are also less likely to make use of subsidized housing than native Canadians of the same income level. In 2004 22.5% of low-income native Canadians lived in subsidized housing, but only 20.4% of low income recent immigrants did so, though this number was considerably higher among more established immigrants.[64] “

I am aware of all you list, but that is all you se...

2010-08-31T07:09:54.053-04:00
I am aware of all you list, but that is all you seem to do, list things. My social involvement has been with assisting refugees and immigrants. Your social involvement has been with the unfortunates that you list. You seem to think the two are mutually exclusive -- I don't. Pity that you cannot articulate this, but feel the need to exclude.

da svidanya tvaravitch.

"What do we do with the broken ones now, shoo...

2010-08-30T22:03:49.669-04:00
"What do we do with the broken ones now, shoot them? Or just abandon them to die as soon as possible."

ask the social workers, the Salvation Army, the John Howard Society, the doctors, the half-way houses, the police, the Scott Mission, the Children's Aid, parole officers, safe injection clinics, and so on. They all have stories and concerns that make one shake their head in disgust.

that's the last of what I have to say on this. We simply disagree on some major points.

I get the feeling that trying2makesense wants Cana...

2010-08-30T19:26:47.341-04:00
I get the feeling that trying2makesense wants Canada to provide sufficient resources to his list of unfortunates. The resources can be found in several foreign aid projects. Let's use that money which is sent abroad to help their unfortunates, rather than our unfortunate.

Why would we send aid to regimes that cause refugees? Let's divert that money to help OUR unfortunates first, including refugees to Canada.

But let us take a look at the behaviour of Canada, which has connived with several East European governments to reject Romany (Gypsies) refugees. I was active with this group of people when I lived in Toronto.

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Aug 27, 1997 A large anti-Romany rally engineered by skinheads took place in front of the Lido Motel in Toronto, Canada where Czech Romanies awaiting the outcome of their applications for political asylum have been staying. (Source: CTK National News Wire, 8/27/97)

Sep 3, 1997 George Kubes, the Czech-Canadian lawyer representing several dozen Czech Romanies applying for asylum in Canada, claims that Czech immigration authorities are trying to hinder his clients' chances of gaining refugee status there, by falsifying documents to show that the refugees have criminal records. (Source: The Prague Post, 9/3/97)

Oct 8, 1997 Canada reintroduced visas for Czechs after a wave of Romanies from the Czech Republic flooded Canadian shores seeking asylum status in August and September. (Source: The Prague Post, 10/28/97)
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If you want to know what the Romany faced when they were returned to their home country, take a look at this pathetic chronology of one of earth's most pathetic unfortunates.

There must be a blue moon tonight because I agree ...

2010-08-30T18:44:19.662-04:00
There must be a blue moon tonight because I agree with Mr. Keeler completely in his response to Trying down there at the 38th post.

The stories Trying hears about the life of luxury our immigrants and refugees enjoy are myths, encouraged and spread by the mainstream media, who have their own agenda.

It's just a pack of lies, as some of our newcomers are unduly restricted from the most basic of activities, including working for a living. We actually refuse to let some of them do that!

While the long list of Canadian "unfortunates" listed above may get better care in some areas, that care is still very deficient and costs us a great deal more in the long run than giving people what they need to reach their potential.

Trying's statement that it may be cheaper to bring in new people than "fix" the broken ones already here is rather frightening. What do we do with the broken ones now, shoot them? Or just abandon them to die as soon as possible. His statement needs a little clarification, or maybe a little more thought.

”let's start with some of the infirm, the...

2010-08-30T16:54:20.588-04:00
”let's start with some of
the infirm,
the mentally ill,
the addicts,
the homeless,
the orphans,
the aboriginals,
the aged,
the earlier immigrants,
the unemployed..
there are people in these groups that would not be such if they had comparable access to the resources we make available to those that we import.

Whatever inequities you imagine, there are more resources available to your list of unfortunates, than for the immigrants and refugees to Canada.

Immigration has always been a net benefit to Canada. It continues today. We import minds. We import future minds because we get the kids of immigrants and refugees. These minds are resources that produce, and by so doing, they financially contribute to the resources that are made available to your list of unfortunates. They are a NET BENEFIT to Canada.

It's worth noting that Canadians who live in and around small towns largely get a free ride insofar as refugee settlement is concerned. Refugees go to Canada's 3 biggest cities. It is municipal taxes that provide housing and other 'welfare' costs for refugees, so trying2makesense don't got no call to whine about his pocket being picked on that score -- enjoy your free ride, and for the savings you enjoy, you might want to contribute that saving directly to one or all of the list of unfortunates.

"to name the "ones", for clarity sa...

2010-08-30T14:57:01.150-04:00
"to name the "ones", for clarity sake"

let's start with some of the infirm, the mentally ill, the addicts, the homeless, the orphans, the aboriginals, the aged, the earlier immigrants, the unemployed.. there are people in these groups that would not be such if they had comparable access to the resources we make available to those that we import. Before you ask, I am not going to give specific examples because we have been given many through anecdotal and documented examples in various media reports on these situations.

One of the answers, I suspect, is that it is simply easier (and maybe cheaper) to start with fresh recruits than fix the broken ones. But then, I was posing the question to you ..

trying2makesense keyed, "some of the ones ...

2010-08-29T23:49:58.694-04:00
trying2makesense keyed, "some of the ones we already have, and have had, for most of those 143 years?

It would be helpful to name the "ones", for clarity sake. I am not going to guess or assume anything from such an ambiguity.

two simple questions for WK - why do we import peo...

2010-08-29T15:46:28.138-04:00
two simple questions for WK - why do we import people while we ignore some of the ones we already have, and have had, for most of those 143 years? Where is the creativity in that?

trying2makesense wrote, "No matter how man...

2010-08-28T15:40:43.338-04:00
trying2makesense wrote, "No matter how many people you transplant, it will take yet more to support them and more to support the supporters, and so on, as before, until you no longer have the means to support the system loading and it all has to crumble, and start fresh, with minimal resources to boot. That's not an anti-immigration view, but a pragmatic one.

For the past 143 years, Canada has been taking in immgrants and refugees pretty well willy and nilly. Yet spread over that 143 years, Canada has prospered in all spheres to a degree unprecedented in human history.

This will continue, regardless of how pseudo-pragmatic the doomster gloomster tombsters put it.

The Saturn rocket is machinery. Immigrants and refugees are human beings that commit a wide assortment of creative acts, just like the locals.

trying2makesense and others all diminish the human capacity for creativity, perhaps because they are so lacking in the attriubute themselves.

off on a spur line, what's really going wrong ...

2010-08-28T13:36:55.096-04:00
off on a spur line, what's really going wrong here is that the rest of the participants here seem so easily led off the mainline by wk. If we weren't so eager to chase his smoke we wouldn't have to worry about getting off track. So, ya see, it's our own damn fault for playin' by his rules, and not his at all. Every day I see and hear kids yellin' "mommy mommy mommy - mommmmy pay attention mommy I'm over here look look mommmmy MOMMMMY ..." and mommy just goes on ignoring little spoiled imp, so why is it we don't do likewise? Is it because you see him just as "dear, loveable old Wally"?

The solution that works best for me is simply ignoring any comment that starts with "Wally Keeler said..." badda-bu badda-bing!

Merklin Muffley types; "Wally, dear, lovea...

2010-08-28T11:47:01.454-04:00
Merklin Muffley types; "Wally, dear, loveable old Wally, has derailed another train of thought.

It was derailed by Manfred S when he gave you a grammar lesson. Obviously you can't read signals from your train of naught.

Years ago there was this economic/extortionist ter...

2010-08-27T18:48:36.871-04:00
Years ago there was this economic/extortionist terrorist guy in Germany called "The Saw". What "The Saw" did was send letters demanding huge sums of money to Germany's high-speed rail operators saying that if his demands weren't met he was going to use his carbide-disc saw to cut foot-long chunks of rail out of the track and derail high-speed trains ("The Saw" was an ex-employee and knew how to 'bridge' the 1/4 volt current that ran up one rail and down the other, same as here, so as to ensure the train still had a Clear Signal).

Anyway, why am I bringing this up?

Well, Wally, dear, loveable old Wally, has, in my opinion, become The Burd Report's equivalent of "The Saw". I mean take a look of the heading of this thread: "Rob Ford vs. Immigration Facts" and consider how far, thanks to dear, loveable old Wally (hereinafter known as "The Saw") we've strayed from anything to do with the original idea.

Wally, dear, loveable old Wally, has derailed another train of thought.

Thank goodness nobody got killed.

.. or two single comments, or three, and on. one ...

2010-08-26T15:11:07.563-04:00
.. or two single comments, or three, and on.

one comment about one word in one post - not the stuff that can be declared a "role" my friend.

Now, let's take a look at the 'role' you have assumed here, shall we.. on second thought, let's not bother - I'll just leave it at that my friend.

...from a single seed grows a tree. 1. One commen...

2010-08-25T14:10:34.228-04:00
...from a single seed grows a tree.

1. One comment
2. Single comment
3. One single comment.

Your prose is bloated with a run-on redundancy. A remedial English course may be helpful for you; otherwise, you may have to live your life as an old prose-bag.

..one single comment, a role does not make

2010-08-25T11:34:35.414-04:00
..one single comment, a role does not make

Manfred Schumann assumes the role of my worst elem...

2010-08-24T15:54:39.773-04:00
Manfred Schumann assumes the role of my worst elementary English teacher; a grammarian scold and spelling tyrant.

there is an ever present danger that if someone re...

2010-08-24T13:37:32.509-04:00
there is an ever present danger that if someone repeats an idea, word or phrase often enough, that idea, word or phrase can begin to take on a semblance of fact or truth, both for the author and for the audience, even though it may never have had nor now has such attributes.

A lot of that seems to happen on some blogs...just musing out loud

Merkley M wrote "..CFRB1010 depend on for the...

2010-08-24T13:26:26.214-04:00
Merkley M wrote "..CFRB1010 depend on for they're success.." instead of '..CFRB1010 depend on for their success.." Odd mistake from this veteran scribe. Could be the care and tending of the home-chilled brew has been neglected a bit and something's not as it should be, ...or not

I label groups of people based on their political ...

2010-08-24T12:02:09.537-04:00
I label groups of people based on their political perceptions.

You label groups of people based on their race and gender.

I make a political comment. You make a racist comment.

"White males love this guy." I keep asking Ben -- what is the basis for that racial profiling?

so you can label people with - "pack of wild ...

2010-08-24T11:52:34.442-04:00
so you can label people with - "pack of wild lefties who leftie their brains in Chomsky's back pocket."
and get upset about "white-males" be objective

Merklin Muffley, please wipe the foam from your mo...

2010-08-24T11:36:59.047-04:00
Merklin Muffley, please wipe the foam from your mouth and tell us just how all the spittle you splattered on this blog relates to the Ipsos-Reid question:

"IF THE THE ELECTION FOR TORONTO'S MAYOR WAS BEING HELD TOMORROW, WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING CANDIDATES WOULD YOU MOST LIKELY VOTE FOR?

ROB FORD 32%
GEORGE SMITHERMAN 21%
SARAH THOMSON 10%
JOE PANTALONE 9%
ROCCO ROSSI 7%
OTHER 4%
UNDECIDED 25%"

Tell how the above question / poll should have been worded, to eliminate the neo-con influence. C'mon Merk, show us your political acumen. You too, Ben, c,mon, show how the "white males" influenced the outcome of the poll.

In case someone thinks I support Ford take note that I would not vote for such a politician. My interest is in clearing out the political bullshit from a pack of wild lefties who leftie their brains in Chomsky's back pocket.

Here is the actual question asked by Ipsos-Reid. h...

2010-08-24T09:06:25.751-04:00
Here is the actual question asked by Ipsos-Reid. http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/poll.jpg

Note how distorted is the question. It was fashioned by "white males" drenched in neo-con ideology. Lefties like Ben Burd can smell it. What ludicrous political acumen the left has. No wonder incompetents such as Ford get elected.

I just read the results of the Ipsos poll in this ...

2010-08-24T07:53:38.635-04:00
I just read the results of the Ipsos poll in this morning's Globe (Tue.) I agree with Ben: Consider the source.

CFRB1010 (All Demogoguery! All The Time!) is the WWF of AM Talk Radio. Everybody's mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore. Almost every caller to whatever host and whatever they happen to be railing at or whatever the outrage-du-jour (always a leftie plot) happens to be, that caller prefaces their remarks with "I don't know John, but...."

Well, if you don't know -why are you phoning a radio program to tell the world you don't know?

The answer to that is simple -almost as simple as the callers to CFRB1010: They're simpletons.

And simpletons are who Rob Ford, The National Post and CFRB1010 depend on for they're success in business and in life. (It's probably also why The Globe permits little or no criticism of Rob Ford's pimp -Christie Blatchford.)

Wearing proper protective gear and using the Buddy System, spend a half hour at any time of the day listening to CFRB1010. Take note of the American contributors and the Brooklyn accents of the so-called experts weighing in on, well, a whjole lot of subject matter that has precious little to do with Canada. I mean, really, Sarah Palin? Obama a Muslim? Tea Partiers as True Patriots? Does anybody north of the 49th other than Charles Adler, Christie Blatchford or David Frum actually care? I sure don't. CFRB1010 should be seen for what it is; unintentional slapstick comedy by and for wannabe Republicans.

The remaining years left to me on this planet do not permit a similar examination of my views on The National Post. Suffice to say as a newspaper, The National Post is a pretty good advertising media -provided the only thing you have to sell is self-discrediting surveys from The Fraser Institute or, as in this case, CFRB1010 and itself.

Comments on The Burd Report: Rob Ford vs. Immigration Facts

is this discussion about immigrants or about refug...

Trying2makesense keyed, ”why do we import peopl...

I am aware of all you list, but that is all you se...

"What do we do with the broken ones now, shoo...

I get the feeling that trying2makesense wants Cana...

There must be a blue moon tonight because I agree ...

”let's start with some of the infirm, the...

"to name the "ones", for clarity sa...

trying2makesense keyed, "some of the ones ...

two simple questions for WK - why do we import peo...

trying2makesense wrote, "No matter how man...

off on a spur line, what's really going wrong ...

Merklin Muffley types; "Wally, dear, lovea...

Years ago there was this economic/extortionist ter...

.. or two single comments, or three, and on. one ...

...from a single seed grows a tree. 1. One commen...

..one single comment, a role does not make

Manfred Schumann assumes the role of my worst elem...

there is an ever present danger that if someone re...

Merkley M wrote "..CFRB1010 depend on for the...

I label groups of people based on their political ...

so you can label people with - "pack of wild ...

Merklin Muffley, please wipe the foam from your mo...

Here is the actual question asked by Ipsos-Reid. h...

I just read the results of the Ipsos poll in this ...