Comments on The Burd Report: Sunday for Monday #1

So what would be the price per month to fill the a...

2009-09-29T00:28:09.828-04:00

So what would be the price per month to fill the available space on one bin? $1000 per month? Would it be in terms of thousands or hundreds of dollars.

The Art Gallery receives all sorts of gov't funds, why wouldn't they invest in one bin for their shows, especially the bin nearest Victoria Hall.

Cobourg Library receives considerable govt funds, so they may be able to sponsor a single bin.

The DBIA might want to do a civic public service bin.

Depends on the price of the ad space. If it is in terms of hundreds of dollars, things shouldn't be too difficult.

The small-minded small-towners slagging on big city gadgets are ignorant of how well those bins work for recycling vehicles -- contributes to efficiency.

So much small town intolerance! Sheeesh!

Ben Burd said... But why are the directional soun...

2009-09-28T18:04:34.840-04:00

Ben Burd said...
But why are the directional sounds the same? East-West still beeps the same as North-South

Ben, I think the beeping you are talking about are the short beeps from the poles that the buttons are on. These beeps tell the blind where the buttons are located. (close your eyes near them and you will get an idea of how they work)

Press and hold the button for about a 3 count. The walk signal will chirp in one direction and koo-koo (like the clock) in the other. The walk signal will verbally count down the time left to walk before the walk signal changes to don't walk. These signals are designed to the CNIB standard, and can be found everywhere. The first time I heard one, I was in Peterborough. It scared the heck out of me until I realized what it was.

Wonderful suggestioin but unless somebody pays the...

2009-09-28T15:52:53.669-04:00

Wonderful suggestioin but unless somebody pays the owner of the bin nothing gets to be put up. Pay the freight and these guys would probably put up anything dross or wonder. just get a benefactor Wally and your stuff could be there too. Unless of course Council negotiated a number of the bins to be designated "public service" fat chance of that!

Oh yee of diminished imaginations -- there are soo...

2009-09-28T15:27:00.510-04:00

Oh yee of diminished imaginations -- there are soooo many of you.

A municipal by-law would take care of "obscene advertising" by requiring the space be filled with art or poetry or photography from Cobourg's arts community.

Perhaps the Historical Society would get the space for a three month season to display an historical photo. The Art Gallery could sponsor a bin. The Cobourg Poetry group could display their member's work. The library could do a book-related image.

Stuff like that. These bins can be an enhancement if you deal with it properly -- instead of wallowing in a whine-fest of moan, groan grunt and foam at the yap.

Use your imagination -- oh yes, it was taken from you in high school when you became a unround peg in an unsquare hole. Pity about that.

Not if you want the best shot of the obsecene adve...

2009-09-28T14:57:59.676-04:00

Not if you want the best shot of the obsecene advertising

Yes. There are 3 pix of the bins there -- Council ...

2009-09-28T14:44:24.125-04:00

Yes. There are 3 pix of the bins there -- Council agenda. 1st one shows the bin in front of some all glass-front building. Toronto, maybe?

The other 2 show the bins in Cobourg, one on the south side of Kind St across from Edward Jones and on the east side of McGill with Vic Park in background and the building at the corner of Church.

Maybe they were photoshopped. I can't imagine them bringing actual bins to town just to take the pic. My point would be: this blog should use one of the 2 Cobourg ones, not the Toronto one.

The pic was taken right out of the background mate...

2009-09-28T13:40:40.195-04:00

The pic was taken right out of the background material for the Council agenda. I think it was photoshopped by the applicant - it's their pic not mine

Where was that pic of a bin taken? I don't rec...

2009-09-28T13:16:25.474-04:00

Where was that pic of a bin taken? I don't recognize the view in the background. Is it an image of the bin in another town that you are posting to illustrate something coming to Cobourg?

Ben, either you need your hearing checked or I nee...

2009-09-28T13:15:13.445-04:00

Ben, either you need your hearing checked or I need mine checked. East-west is a very distinctly different sound than North-south, to me. Are you sure you're pressing a different button for each? You do have to do that. It would be catastrophic if a blind person stepped off east-west when the sound for north-south was pealing!

"Beep, beep, zoooooom!" -- Wild E....

2009-09-28T12:57:44.719-04:00

"Beep, beep, zoooooom!"
-- Wild E. Coyote

The Ontario gov't has guidelines for the walk ...

2009-09-28T10:40:59.368-04:00

The Ontario gov't has guidelines for the walk signals:

http://www.accesson.ca/mcss/english/pillars/accessibilityOntario/accesson/business/environment/pedestrian/toc.htm

Apparently the way it works is the guidelines will eventually become a standard, and then the standard will eventually be become law.

But why are the directional sounds the same? East-...

2009-09-28T09:46:21.262-04:00

But why are the directional sounds the same? East-West still beeps the same as North-South

... and for the record, Cobourg's units also d...

2009-09-28T09:30:13.949-04:00

... and for the record, Cobourg's units also do a verbal countdown of time left before the light changes. They are only activated after the button is held in for about 4 seconds, and yes, they are an asistive device for the visually impaired.

Deb O said... Port Hope has now installed talking...

2009-09-27T22:49:28.544-04:00

Deb O said...
Port Hope has now installed talking, beeping walk signals at downtown intersections, going one better past Cobourg, whose walk signals only beep.

I'm not sure about Port Hope, but I know that the beeping, chirping, and once upon a time talking, walk signals in Cobourg were installed for the benefit of the blind.

What you describe as "the latest gadgets" actually serve a pretty useful purpose.

Not to lean too much on Marshal McLuhan but in my ...

2009-09-27T18:25:07.901-04:00

Not to lean too much on Marshal McLuhan but in my opinion "The bins are the garbage" -much in the same way the media is the message.

DJC

anon from Cramahe Don't believe the "60-d...

2009-09-27T13:39:16.030-04:00

anon from Cramahe
Don't believe the "60-day trial" rhetoric. Cramahe agreed to host more than 20 of these bins, including two in Castleton, and four or five at the Keeler Centre. The rest are crammed into the commercial core of Colborne, which runs roughly from the art gallery at the corner of King East and Burnham, to Toronto Road, just west of Johnson Motors. Only two ads have been placed since their debut many, many months ago (think about that 60 days), and one of them is from the municipality itself. The hook ... Cramahe would get a rebate equal to five per cent of the revenues generated by ads. My understanding is that the bins are collecting as much garbage as they are recycling, because they are located more conveniently than town-owned garbage bins, but rarely policed for content. Not to mention that these monstrosities are fixed securely to the concrete sidewalks, necessitating drilling and lag bolting. Who pays for sidewalk repair when they're removed? And finally, we already have one of the best recycling programs in the province; why would anyone want to buy advertising on these ugly, space consuming, oversized "garbage" bins?

Port Hope has now installed talking, beeping walk ...

2009-09-27T12:45:06.607-04:00

Port Hope has now installed talking, beeping walk signals at downtown intersections, going one better past Cobourg, whose walk signals only beep.

I have a theory that our small towns are just concerned that city slickers will visit and laugh at us if we don't have all the latest gadgets in public places, and by installing these bins the hope is that we will be seen to be up to date with all the latest junk, just like the cities.

And I agree with DJC, we will be stuck with them whether we like it or not.

Too bad we can't install some tolerance for diversity too.

The bins will stay, bet on it. Whenever you combin...

2009-09-27T10:22:30.769-04:00

The bins will stay, bet on it. Whenever you combine the twin forces of enviro-mongers and compliant politicians afraid to question the enviro-mongers, enviro-mongering wins out. So does Big Business. Big Business like windmill manufacturers and VIA Rail -about which there is nothing enviro-mentally friendly whatsoever. But who's going to stand up to crazed cyclists when they've got their hands around your throat, or Paul Gipe 'Mr. Windmill' himself shouting down naysayers like Matt Galloway on CBC or anyone else who might dare to suggest something like these Save The Planet bins are anything but a marketing scam?

Believe me -the bins will stay.

DJC