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Wednesday, May 12, 2010

Well looky here

In a story in the G&M here, this morning it has been exposed that the Ontario Hospital Association has been preparing bylaws, on behalf of the member hospitals, all 155 of them. The rewording of the bylaws has upset the Doctors. So we thought the move to new bylaws was just a Northumberland thing, but it is not. It is now even more important that the membership of the Hospital Association get to know just what is in the proposed changes apart from moves to reduce membership and attempts to muzzle Doctors.

On another front, a series of emails between a local member and the CAO has revealed two important facts: one is that if a member wants to have a motion presented to the AGM on June 22nd the motion must be submitted to the Secretary of the Board by Friday May 17th, two working days time, and the second is that in response to a request for the membership list the Board will be making a decision whether to release the list at its Board meeting on May 27th.

The fact that the Board is making it a Board decision to release the membership list is a strange one. Surely under the Corporations Act all shareholders (members) are entitled to ask for, and receive, a list of shareholders (members). Perhaps any of the lawyers reading this post could advise the BurdReport on this.


19 comments:

Deb O said...

I am sure they will cite that magic word, confidentiality, to justify with-holding that info.

Works very well when the Establishment wants to hide things to the detriment of the public.

The Ont. Hosp. Assoc. is another dinosaur filled with old tories and status quo supporters. Not to be trusted.

Wally Keeler said...

I went to the web site that lists all of the Directors of the "Ont. Hosp. Assoc.

They seem to be an accomplished lot of people, and their accomplishments often suggest that they are not barren of campassion for their fellow human beings.

I Googled their names and was unable to establish any link that suggested that they are "old tories." Perhaps Deb would be kind enough to provide the evidence that OHA is governed by "old tories."

I suspect that it is just another insubstantial throwaway assertion to denigrate a group of dedicated people who assist people no less compassionately than Deb's compassionate and rightly valued assistance of poor people.

Deb O said...

Oh Wally don't take me so literally. On the other hand, I should have said tory types instead.

I'm thinking back to when failed tory leadership candidate Dennis Timbrell was given the post of chair years ago under the NDP regime in the early 90's. There was a bit of a scandal when he was rewarded for dumping their Blue Cross division and paid over half a million for his efforts.

Looking at the list Wally so kindly posted, I see not a single person of colour. There is one name with no picture, and he is described as First Nations.

They all look very white, middle aged, and privileged, Most have administrative backgrounds.

Status quo supporters for sure, and that is the problem.

Armchair QB said...

interesting to note that there is a representative on the board who works and I assume lives in Northumberland (CEO of Campbellford Hospital). nice local connection.... not sure if she is a Tory as Deb would assume, but local nonetheless. always nice to put a local name to a somewhat distant bureaucracy isn't it...

Anonymous said...

privileged = studied hard, worked hard, not entitled

Deb O said...

Anonymous reveals just how willfully blind many of the privileged are. It takes more than just studying and working hard to succeed. Privilege plays a huge role in establishing one's place in life.

You don't have to grow up poor and disadvantaged to know that, but those who didn't often blind themselves to what it really means to do without. After all, if they see the truth of it, they are forced to acknowledge their brains and good habits are not entirely responsible for their happy and entitled lives.

Anonymous, you are are a selfish, self satisfied dolt who should take off the blinders and take a good look around. While you're at it, you can thank your parents, your god, and plain old good luck for your privilege, cause you didn't get it all by yourself.

Anonymous said...

As usual you are wrong. I grew up poor in wealth. I was never taught though that society owed me anything. Hard work and self accountability is what got me through life. Unlike you who feels society OWES you a living. I have not, nor will I ever depend on society for my life. Probably a real foreign concept for someone who feels society owes them from birth.

Wally Keeler said...

At the end of Chapel Street I grew up with and played with a young boy whose parents were lawyers. They had a modern big house with lots of books, and house guests who were highly literate and educated, etc.

I lived at the other end of Chapel Street in a small cottage type house with bare bulbs. My father committed suicide which left my mother to raise a non-conformist son on what she earned as kitchen help.

I say this to differentiate my upbringing and that of my 'privileged' Mozzarella-skinned friend. If my friend and I both decided to become lawyers when we grew up it would be much much easier for my friend than for me.

My friend had plenty more privileges and advantages than I had. He used those advantages to his own advantage. Well, why not? I would have exploited those privileges for my own advanatage if I were in his position. But I was not. I would have had to struggle so much more than him to achieve the same goal. Unjust. Unfair. Not equal. PRZT!

The most important point is not that I was disadvantaged in comparison to those we carelessly label as Establishment, Privileged, etc. The point is that nothing prevented me from achieving any goal I wanted -- provided I wanted it bad enough. I wasn't going to waste my time sitting on the front lawn whining and crying about inequality, etc.

Deb commented, "Anonymous, you are are a selfish, self satisfied dolt"

When you make these kinds of rude insulting comments, (and you make them more often than you think) then don't be surprised that others make comments towards you in the same coin.

I wouldn't otherwise point it out that you comment often in that manner, but when you make a display of yourself coming down on me for my rude and insulting comments (& I fess to it) it smells of hypocrisy. Please don't forget that if I can do it, so can you. If you can do it, so can I. That's free speech.

I find it absolutely offensive and racist to draw characteristics of a wide swath of people on the shallow basis of the skin colour of their faces. It is those kind of generalizations that are divisive and racist. I don't know the individual stories of those palefaces, but I look at them as individuals of accomplishment and caring, not as a racial demographic that can be casually smeared.

Deb O said...

Anonymous you don't know anything about me or my beliefs. Who the fuck said I think society owes me a living? I do not!

All I want is a level playing field so everyone has the same opportunities. Even if they were not born with privilege.

That's the difference. Unlike you I don't think some folks are entitled to any more than anybody else.

If you want respect for your views, try signing your name.
Coward.

Wally Keeler said...

Deb commented, "Anonymous you don't know anything about me or my beliefs. Who the fuck said..."

Deb, you don't know anything about the individuals and their personal beliefs of the members of the Board, but that didn't stop you from casting aspersions against them as a group based on the colour of their faces.

Anonymous said...

I thought the blog was about people's views and opinions NOT about who they are. I don't know who Deb O refers to nor do I really care. I assume they are all Anonymous

Deb O said...

I don't want to belabour this point, so this will be my last post on this topic.

I too prefer that this blog be about opinions and debate. However I take exception to being personally smeared with uninformed assumptions by people who don't have the balls to put their name to their opinions.

Wally can rant all he likes and I seldom respond because he's entitled to his opinions and has the guts to stand behind them. No lack of courage there.

I have no respect for the people who hide behind anonymity to make personal attacks. They deserve what they get.

Wally Keeler said...

I'm with Deb on that.

Anonymous said...

maybe these two find it frustrating when they have no identifiable target (personality) to attack and are simply left with an opinion to ponder and react to - often it's tough to just discuss the merits or demerits of an opinion without denigrating the opiner. Suck it up kids - develop some debating skills and lay the personal criticisms aside. It doesn't matter who says it, it's what's being said that really should be driving the discussion.

Wally Keeler said...

The problem with your merit Anonymous is that you post vacuous generalities that have as much substance as dandelion fluff surfing the wind.

Anonymous said...

"you post vacuous generalities that have as much substance as dandelion fluff surfing the wind". Not unlike some of the so called poetry posted on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Deb has written - "I too prefer that this blog be about opinions and debate. However I take exception to being personally smeared with uninformed assumptions"
The following quotes from her comments on this blog appear to be an interesting commentary on the sincerety of that statement.
“The fact that the LHINs, and the hospital boards, fall into line like the brainless lemmings they are..”
“Status quo supporters for sure, and that is the problem”
“Anonymous, you are are a selfish, self satisfied dolt ..”
“Peter's a polite boy but needs to show some imagination in his work”
“..we'd be better served by a member of the Imagine Nation who can think outside of the sports box.”
“Nothing like bile from a sanctimonious and self righteous prude first thing in the morning..”
“Heaven forbid you wake up tomorrow and find you care about other human beings”
“.. how he screwed the Town out of countless thousands of dollars in pay..”
These are all still available on this blog as of now.

Wally Keeler said...

"you post vacuous generalities that have as much substance as dandelion fluff surfing the wind" Not unlike some of the so called poetry posted on this blog.

Note the bland gland excretion of Anonymous. It is bereft of any colour or substance. It is indirect, using the pro-forma phraseology of 'Not unlike" instead of clear direct English.

Just because Anonymous says it does not mean they have demonstrated any substance in their comment about poetry. Actually, Anonymous's comments have as much nutritional value as a slice of white bread lying out on a summer parking lot.

Anonymous said...

What an interesting exercise it would be to post comments WITHOUT the authors' names attached, making it all about the discussion instead of the 'discussor'. Comments would be evaluated for their value to the topic rather than their origin and incidental raison d'etre, which too often appears to be the aggrandizement of its poser.